Atheren’s Galaxies August 30, 2019

More of the usual, except tomorrow Sinome goes back to Theed to get those last 2 1/4 boxes of healing.

Have been busy and hope my vendors don’t blow up!  Yikes!

From the archives, a couple of things to entertain you in the meantime.

One of my all time favorite article titles is “Can a table stand on one leg?  Critical and ludological thoughts on Star Wars Galaxies” by Timothy Burke.   The article, unlike many, is still out there!       http://www.gamestudies.org/0501/burke/

On Furniture Colorization

How about this nice conversation about coloring furniture, which at this point was clearly off the table.  They did eventually add it, of course.

I remember reading the post Pawlin is referring to but after several searches I still cannot find it. Sometime approximately between May 2005 and May 2006, we got a definite “NO on the color options for furniture” explanation. Based on Pawlin’s changed responses of “We wish to have color…” to “We have been told no on color…”

A Dev explained why making furniture with color options (like clothes) is “not impossible” but would be very time consuming and difficult to make new art in every color for every furniture item in the game. Clothing was intended to have color options during crafting and was coded that way and art done for it since the beginning. Furniture et al was never intended to have color options so the art and coding was never done. It would take a LOT of work to do it now. And they feel the game has many other higher priorities than making a chair have more color options.

Here’s SWG-Goliath explaining sort of why it can be done but won’t be done: CLICKY #1

Mirkwoods wrote:

SWG-Goliath wrote:

Modular housing sounds cool at first glance, but the real problem is how we set up houses and other interiors in the game. In order to seperate the house from the rest of the world and thereby making the game more effectaint we use a portal system. when you step from the world into the house, you walk thru a portal. Each portalted room is called a cell. The cells have to line up perfectly, and the custom lighting i do has to match from room to room, or there is a huge and ugly pop when you step between them. In addition there is flooring issues as each cell has its own floor. those floors have to also match exactly or you cant cross thier bounderies.

cell

|_ mesh

|_ floor

|_ portals

|_ Lights

Bottom line is that from an art perspective player created modular housing would be extremely buggy and unpredicable assuming it even worked at all. Our game in its current state isnt set up for this level of customisation in housing.

Message Edited by SWG-Goliath on 10-03-200510:48 PM

This makes sense, but what I was talking about, if you are responding to me specifically, is making a decorated room an item.

Not the room itself, but perhaps an item with certain dimensions that will fit into many of the rooms. This item consists of something called say, “Bedroom suite.”

The bedroom suite consists of say, a large bed, a large area rug underneath and some chairs and other bedroom looking objects that are actually just one object.

We’ve all seen that there can be huge objects that are just one item; Example = Asteroid Chunk.

This way, when you put down say the “Bedroom suite”, or a “Small kitchen”, you are putting down only one object, and having most of a bedroom, or a kitchen already done, then you can use the smaller items to decorate and customize the “rooms.”

I’m not sure how something like this could even mess up the lighting.

I’d love to hear why this wouldn’t work… but I’d prefer to hear how it could be made to.

SWG-Goliath wrote: Its not impossible but you wouldn’t be able to sit on or use any of the items that are part of this suite. Each item has specific functions. For example a dresser holds items, a bed or chair can be sat upon, a lamp emits light. If we combined all the models into a single item, the funtionality would be lost since that function is applied per item. I hope that makes sense.

SWG-Goliath: Master Artist

Pawlin wrote:

Yeah you’d think it wouldn’t be too hard for their art dept. to put out a few new skins for new house styles.

ONe thing we’d like is furniture color customization. We were told over a year ago that the “ball is rolling” on that… I figure Sisyphus is still workin on it.

Pawlin wrote:

Edzew wrote: …also they can change the color on furniture as well yet they say its imposible kuz it would take to mutch code or sum crap like that …

They did not say it was impossible.

They have said that its a lot more work than people think cause the furniture items as made are not setup to handle multiple color options. So they’d have to both do new art for all the new colors and rewrite the software code for all the furniture.

I certainly hop we’ll net some new content like this eventually but I don’t expect it anytime soon. We’ve been asking for this for over 2 years so don’t hold your breath.

Pawlin wrote:

Wirlies_Birds_Inc wrote:

Pawlin said:

Color pallets for furniture might be off the table. SOE has said before that would be a ton of work so I don’t know if they’d be able to swing it.

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(Sorry, I don’t know how to do the neat little quoting previous post trick so many of you can do)

I don’t buy this for one second. You mean to tell me that will all the features in this and any other game, and with the fact that there are color palletts for clothing, for skin, for speeders and for ships, adding one for furniture is not techinically possible? Sounds to me like when you tell you kid to do thier reply is “but dad its soo hard”.

Sounds to me like they just don’t want to add a color pallet to furniture.

 

 

  1. I am not telling you it is “not technically possible”. I never said anything of the sort. I said that SOE said it “would be a ton of work”. If something is a lot of work, that is not the same as impossible.

Yes when it comes down to it some things they have to say ‘no’ to because its simply too much work. We have to be realistic. They have a limited amount of people and time. We want to get the most bang for the buck in the things they do for Trader.

I’d certainly like furniture pallette. I’ve personally asked for it a million **edit**ing times. But when they tell you outright that something isn’t going to happen then its time to move on and ask for other stuff.

Oh please, I can’t just tell my boss to **edit** off cause something is too hard and use that to get out of anything.

That is not what we’re talking about.

I’m talking about a business telling their customers “sorry thats to much work for us to be able to do”. I work directly with customers myself and do at times I tell them ‘no sorry’ when they ask for things we can’t realisticially do. Its based on cost and return and amount of work.

Seriously are you accusomted to businesses telling you “yes” for whatever you ask as a customer??

This is not the marines. You and I are not SOE’s commanding officer. So we can’t just order them to “make it happen”. The “customer is always right” philosphy is nice but only works so far when you’re looking at the various wants and needs of 10’s of thousands of individual customers and 9 distinct professions with various play styles. They have limited resources and have to spread them around the best way they can to get the most bang for the buck. We’ve only got a limited time they’re going to spend on our revamp and we need to make sure we get the most out of it.

I’ve been very clear that this is a case of SOE telling us its too much work. Thats a very straight forward no answer based on them not wanting to put that much effort into something. SO I’m dropping it in favor of the many other things we’d like done that they havne’t said no to. We won’t drop it entirely but since they’ve said no once why keep beating a dead horse??? I’m NOT going to make baselless accusations about teh validity of the amount of work they say it would take, tahts virtually calling them liars which gets nobody anywhere.

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Architect, House, Furniture, Harvester FAQ
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